Interview: Ben Bostick, a kingpin of ‘Hellfire’ & brimstone
Bostick discusses coping, misery and fight.
Ben Bostick rolls out of bed, tussles his bed head and hits the work grind before the sun peeks and yawns over the horizon. It’s a mundane life cycle, one to which many of the American working class can connect, characterized with tired eyes, rough hands and long hours. Bostick hinges this way of life with “Work, Sleep, Repeat,” a honky-tonk romper cut from his second album, Hellfire, out now on Simply Fantastic Music. His vocal is equally as listless and allows the song to inhabit that lethargic pace between the moon’s final march and the sun’s drowsy blink. “Sometimes at work, I just sit around and fantasize about how I could save myself from dying in this working life,” he barks. But his fate is already sealed. He’s a working man. And that’s all there is about that. “Somewhere up the line I forgot what I was working for / There goes life, looks like it ain’t slowing down for me.”
Hellfire is not necessarily a betrayal of his usual tendencies, but when he mounted a prolonged residency at Los Angeles’ The Escondite in early 2016, he was met with coldness. “Most of the music I had written up to that point was more in line with the songs on my first album, in the vein of Jason Isbell and Sturgill Simpson and the more singer-songwriter-y country folks,” he tells B-Sides & Badlands over a recent email chain. It was evident the crowd wasn’t as keen on the more intimately-spaced stories, so he began to craft lyrics amidst a bed of the “fast, loud” arrangements, which gave him ample room for “ripping solos,” even if he wasn’t able to flex restraint nearly as much. Throughout much of the record, from the savagely fiery “Feeling Mean,” complete with devilish flames, spitting from Satan’s tongue, to the raucous “No Show Blues” scorcher to the rock ‘n roller “Blow Off Some Steam,” he unleashes all hell, so to speak.
“After awhile, I decided that all these barnburners might make a good album, and I slowly focused in on a sound and a lyrical theme and finally the goal of steering my country band toward making the best punk album of the year. The aim at the end was to make the ‘Raw Power’ [the 1973 studio album by The Stooges] of country music,” writes Bostick, who was joined by producer John Would, known for his work with Warren Zevon, Lucinda Williams and Fiona Apple, in the studio, splicing together his dirty edges with a super-charged high-class buoyancy. Heeding The Escondite crowd, he converted the real-life figures into fantastical characters embedded in the album’s walls. “The crowd is generally a bunch of jaded regulars who desperately want to hate whoever is on stage. So, to turn the crowd in your favor is quite a task. The characters in my songs are the characters in the bar,” he says.
Songs like “No Good Fool,” which cavorts with the Devil on the dance floor, were born out of an avoidance of becoming a covers band. “There was a time when my band was playing a lot of country dance clubs, and all the patrons of these places like to do line dances. My worst nightmare is being in a cover band, so instead of learning a bunch of other people’s songs I decided to write a few line dances of my own,” he explains of the song, which is, on a basic level, “an electric slide,” nearly Dwight Yoakam in tone. “I came up with the guitar riff first, then the first few lines, and when I came up with the final line of the first verse (“Dawn moved on to the next world just to get away”), I realized I was writing a song about the devil as a line dancer. Satan the ladykiller. That’s no strange territory for a country song, so I just let the rest flow.”
In between the heavy flowing cracks of red dirt and the neon’s gleam, Bostick considers what masculinity means in today’s world, too, allowing his lyrics to permeate and slice open the conversation. There’s a desperation marring his voice, brutal but perceptive. Even within the past 20 years, the definitions of “toxic masculinity” and “male gaze” have transformed, which led to the South Carolina native to become absorbed in what, exactly, that means now. “I think it’s a fascinating time to be a man. The traditional male sphere has all but dissolved into the stream of time,” he says, citing the fluid, uncertain nature of manhood on its very surface. “Men occupy so many differing roles in professional and family life that there is no way to say what is typical. The same goes for women, but, for obvious reasons, I have less insight into the female perspective.”
“I wanted to understand why some people could believe, in 2018, that half of humanity was bad upon being born, and why some men might play directly into the hands of such thinkers. I’ll stop rambling. I simply think masculinity, as such, is more interesting than ever in the age of infinite genders,” he stresses.
Inside Hellfire, he dabbles in masculinity’s various definitions, entrenched from his birth through his youth when society dictated men live, act, feel and love a particular way. In press materials of the record, he spoke about how previous generations were led to believe that “the big strong man…works physical labor and provides for his family and retires with a union pension,” a now-archaic notion, on all fronts. He expounds on this idea, as it relates to the album’s many threads, “In my family, I’m one generation removed from the physical laborer generation. My grandfathers were rural farmers and mechanics who served in the military, but my dad was a small-town doctor who later became a college professor and medical researcher. My dad definitely instilled the importance of being physically fit, strong, responsible and of high moral character, but he has been nothing but supportive of my choice to make my living as a musician. He was probably nervous when I was skinny and eating ramen seven days a week, but I think he’s resting easier now.”
Below, Bostick digs further into the album’s mood and discusses line dancing, how humans cope, misery and what he’s fighting against.
When did you come to realize you wanted to write such a dark album, laced with upbeat music?
I can’t say that I wanted to write a dark album, but I can say that I wanted to make a cohesive album, unlike my first album, which was more of a songwriting showcase than a real album. The fact that a dark album emerged is at least partly due to my fascination with darkness. I’ve always been attracted to the dark side of humanity — I’m fascinated by the capacity of human beings to act against their own interest or to act evilly. I think exploring the darkness is worthwhile, because it’s the only place left to explore. The upbeat music is just me ripping a page from the blues. It’s cathartic to sing about misery, and it’s cathartic to dance to those songs. Some things are too wretched not to celebrate.
Any favorite encounters with the venue’s drunken denizens over the year-long residency?
There are all sorts of strange encounters during the residency, but my favorite encounter is one that must have happened a dozen times. It’s approaching 1 a.m., and there are just a few people left in the bar as we wrap up a slow blues. Some stranger comes up and tells us that he only came for one drink, but he stayed for three hours, and we helped him make it through the night.
In talking about this record in the same aforementioned press materials, you noted how people often cope by transforming into a demon themselves. How do you relate to that yourself?
I can relate to this on many levels, as I believe many people can. On a small level, when I’m tired or stressed or otherwise in a bad mood, that is when I am most likely to snap at the people around me. On a larger level, when I’m broke and I see no prospects for getting out of the hole and I’m feeling miserable and hopeless, that’s also when I feel bitter and resentful. I adapt my world view to fit my circumstances. When your world becomes a living hell, the tendency is to roll with it and become one of the demons that thrives there. My level-headed self knows that life is a roller coaster ride, with ups and downs and light and dark and heart-wrenching good and crushing malice, but my momentary self likes to disagree.
Why is misery so often the gasoline for truly great art?
I can’t always sing about being happy, because that’s fake. And nobody wants to hear a song about feeling so-so. But misery can hold our attention forever. Because it’s real. “Life is suffering,” says Buddha. So, maybe, I just sing about life. Conflict and complexity fill the bottomless well of creativity. Misery is the state at which conflict and complexity reach an unnavigable state. You’re lost at sea and mad at God for putting you there. There’s a lot to write about there. On a related note, I believe all compelling art is about the perversity of human consciousness, which is something I tried to explore throughout the album.
Many of the songs on the record remind me of Johnny Cash’s “Delia’s Gone” in many ways, airy compositions containing grim lyrics. The juxtaposition of story against production is so captivating. Why are we so drawn to that combination?
Good question! I don’t have a satisfying answer for you, but I know that the combination is captivating. There is something about hearing about some dark occurrence from the point of view of the guilty party that won’t let us go. It’s powerful. Put it to a danceable beat, and it alchemically renders the darkness palatable. It’s magic.
You’ve also stated you wrote two songs, including “Work, Sleep, Repeat,” as line dances. What is that process like? Do you have line dance tunes you use as a template?
Line dances are matched to songs based on certain tempos and rhythms, so my process was to listen to several songs that match with a given line dance, extrapolate the tempo and rhythmic elements that make the song fit the dance, then experiment musically until I hit on something interesting and different.
Why has that idea of traditional maleness changed? Do you think that’s connected to what it means to be a country outlaw?
My best guess as to why traditional maleness has faded over time is that it has become less economically viable. Power, strength and endurance were once essential to a large portion of the workforce making money. Not anymore. I don’t know if that’s connected to being a country outlaw. I don’t consider myself an outlaw, for sure. I consider myself an outsider, because I’m working in a space that is outside of the themes du jour. I don’t think maleness has anything to do with that. Just my boredom with hearing the same old thing over and over.
Does the shift make way for men who might not ascribe to that type of maleness to have notable careers?
I don’t think that the way to climb to the top of any given hierarchy has changed. I think that the hierarchies have changed. Whether it is a railroad worker or a computer programmer, you still need to be aggressive, cunning, have tough skin and be willing to work harder than everyone else to rise to the top. The laws of competition are less malleable than many people would like.
In playing a “character,” what parts of the music are really you, and what are attributes you inhabit to tell the stories?
All parts of the music are really me. I am sure that I am capable of great good and great evil, as I am sure that everyone is. The “character” of a song is the element that I wish to highlight for the purpose of the song.
What tendencies are you fighting against across this album’s 11 songs?
This is a wide open question, and I’m not sure how to answer. I suppose I’m fighting against the urge to hold back, though I didn’t succeed. I think real honesty is worth aiming for, but shame is a powerful force to battle. ‘Hellfire’ is my attempt to pin my dirty laundry to a gallery wall and have people regard it as art.
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